Happiness

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This is a guest post by Dan Miller, a real-life friend of mine who writes about philosophy, religion, physics, artificial intelligence and virtual worlds in his blog Artiphys. In this post, Dan is responding to my recent post on Ageism. Dan thinks “aging gracefully” backfires in today’s culture and argues that there’s nothing wrong with using the tools available to us to slow down the natural aging process.

The sense I get from your post, and from the majority of responses, is that it is somehow unseemly for someone to fight the visual process of ageing using surgery, or techniques such as Botox. Instead, we should gracefully accept God’s chosen aesthetics of age, and admire our craggy faces and sagging skin with the delicate acquired tastes of an aficionado.

Of course, we don’t live in that world. Instead, we live in a world that idolizes youth and youthfulness, and physical beauty as some sort of special achievement, and worthy of exceptional praise. In such a world, looking old is not just an issue of looking “bad” — it’s also a label. If you’re old, you are not only not beautiful and desirable, you’re also uncool, over the hill, washed up, and should do the polite thing by just fading away to Florida or a long cruise, or some other acceptable playground for the unfortunately aged.

 

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But what if you don’t think that way about yourself? Surely we’ve all seen the spectrum of attitudes to age — from the mid-40’s balding overweight fellow who is already counting the years to retirement, to the spry, energetic grandmom who loves to play with the kids, does watercolors, blogs incessantly, and generally enjoys life with the enthusiasm of a 12-yr old.

Now suppose you’re one of those forever-young types, but you happen to live in Hollywood, and your profession is tied mercilessly to your looks and the perception people have of your appearance. You are photographed constantly, in high-def, and examined for signs of decrepitude. Is it so terrible in that situation for you to choose to do what many others (your competition in some sense) do, and improve your appearance using the available tools? Or do you have an obligation to take yourself out of the race and let the young turks have a chance at the brass ring?

We don’t disparage people for getting hip replacements just so they can ski or play tennis a few years more. What if you’re approaching 60, but you still feel frisky, and want to be able to appear in a way that makes it easier for you to integrate with people whose perception of age is so deeply marked by society’s expectations? If it’s OK to take the risk of surgery to do athletics, why is it off-limits to have surgery to expand your options in terms of relationships?

I see this issue as something like trans-gender. If someone feels like they’re a woman trapped in a man’s body, and they will be happier looking like a woman (not usually a particularly attractive woman, as we all probably realize) — I say, that’s fine. That’s self-realization. And I see using surgery or Botox to look youthful as something along the same lines. Of course it can go too far (Joan Rivers, Michael Jackson) — but so can anything.

 

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Jocelyn Wildenstein, the “cat woman”, took self improvement through plastic surgery to the extreme. Photo credit: feastoffools

There’s a big difference between a tasteful, subtle chin lift and the stretched-rubber-skin look of someone who just doesn’t know when to quit. I just don’t see the philosophical justification for saying it’s all terrible and hypocritical, and anyone who makes that choice is somehow guilty of some moral or ethical transgression.

I for one have little respect for nature’s (or God’s, if you prefer) idea of ‘graceful ageing’. Besides the looks part, the last year or two of life for most people I’ve known who didn’t die suddenly is nothing but a disgusting, shameful form of degradation and loss of dignity. That drives my feelings about euthanasia, but that’s for a different post. The basic point is, why take our nature as given, and refuse to improve upon it, if improvement is actually possible? We generally accept things like tattoos, body piercing, high heels, makeup and so on — is this really that different?

Much of what we do regarding our appearance is far from healthy (and I confess this goes more for women, but that seems to be a given in our society). I don’t care all that much about my appearance, and perhaps that’s because I’m a guy, but I’m sure going to use whatever I can get my hands on to prolong my quality of life and vitality. I think there’s an argument that one’s appearance is part of that equation.


Over to you now. What do you think? Are you in favor of “aging gracefully,” or do you agree with Dan that there’s no reason to accept nature’s aging process if we have the tools at our disposal to fight it?

career-womanThe nine to five grind has been good to us.

I almost feel like I’m betraying my online friends by saying that. So many talented writers are resisting the idea of a “real” job. So many of us have been miserable doing the nine to five grind. For many, a “real” job means a death sentence to our creativity, to our dreams.

People who choose to carve their own path in life

Just a few of the fabulous, fierce, non-compromising  people I have had the pleasure of meeting online in recent months:

Evyan of Apricot Tea is uncomfortable with people’s reactions when she tells them she’s not working, but she knows in her heart that staying home is right for her and that a “real job” would make her miserable.

Layoffs at Hunter Nuttall’s workplace have finally enabled him to become a professional blogger.

Jonathan Mead bravely insists on living without a template, even when it means “embarrassment, humiliation and flat out rejection.”

Tim Brownson of The Discomfort Zone refused to remain a well-paid but miserable sales person. He is having the time of his life working as a self-employed life coach.

But for some, a real job can be a good thing

While I completely respect my friends’ choice to become self-employed, and accept that for many creative types nine to five jobs ARE in fact a death sentence, I wanted to talk a bit about the other side. To remind everyone that some people are truly happy with “real” jobs and “real” careers.

It has been my experience, and especially my husband’s since I did make a career change and then took a long break from my career when my kids were born, that a real job can be very rewarding. The “get a degree, get a job and be damn good at what you do” path can and does work.

If you choose the right career for you, then keep at it long enough and are successful enough, you have freedoms that are usually associated with being your own boss. You can get to a point where you can take long vacations, decide how long to work each day, when to start your day, and whether to work from your home or from the office.

When you not only follow the path of a degree and a career but also remember to save and invest a significant chunk of your earnings each year, and especially if you start to invest in your early twenties, the magic of compound interest means that in your late thirties and during your forties you also have the financial freedom to take risks and chances and make career changes, because you can get by without a salary for many months.

So in a way, if you “give” those 15 years to the system, you get to take back – and you’re even young enough to enjoy it.

Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe we were just lucky to be in the Silicon Valley during the exciting dot com boom. Maybe most careers ARE miserable. After all, our jobs were never the real, mundane, boring “nine to five” ones. A Silicon Valley start-up is hardly a boring place. So that could explain why we’re not as frustrated as others are. Or maybe we’re just a couple of boring, mundane, conformists. That’s a possibility too, especially since we are both firstborns and I seem to recall reading somewhere that firstborns tend to conform rather than rebel.

Being your own boss can make you work too hard

people always talk about the “nine to five grind”, but working for yourself can create an even worse grind. Monika Mundell, who writes about freelance writing, was unable to work for several weeks after contracting an illness that she attributes to working too hard and stressing her body too much.

She says, “I have been going at my business flat out for nearly 18 months now of which I have been fully booked for the last 10 months. I am a sucker for not saying no enough and therefore ended up taking all the work offered to me. But as it happens, I can’t go on like this and need to find a balance between my writing work, my niche sites and me. Not to mention my husband and my darling birds. The days are just not long enough to get it all done. You probably know that anyway.”

A major risk when you’re self-employed is not knowing when to stop and rest. This is a serious health risk, and the argument “it’s OK to work nonstop as long as you love what you do” is simply not true. Working in front of the computer 14 hours each day, rarely going outside, never exercising and eating junk WILL HARM YOUR HEALTH sooner or later, even if you love every minute of it.

The Bottom Line

While a nine to five job isn’t for everyone, it’s not necessarily evil. It depends a lot on the job, on the employer and on how your career advances over the years, but it IS possible to be an employee, have a fabulous career, make good money and be very happy. I suspect many of you will disagree. I’m looking forward to your comments.

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Source: The Toronto Daily Star, April 22, 1916. Image credit: jbcurio

The text of this 1916 ad says:

In this age, attention to your appearance is an absolute necessity if you expect to make the most out of life. Not only should you wish to appear as attractive as possible for your own self-satisfaction, which is alone well worth your efforts, but you will find the world in general judging you greatly, if not wholly, by your looks.

Therefore, it pays to look your best at all times. Permit no one to see you looking otherwise. It will injure your welfare! Upon the impression you constantly make rests the failure or success of your life. Which is to be your ultimate destiny?

My new nose-shaper corrects ill-shaped noses without operation, quickly, safely and permanently.

 

The ad raises several issues. Among them, the importance of looks; truth in advertising; and advertisers that attempt to manipulate the consumer’s emotions and vulnerabilities for making profit.

I found it interesting that the issues that we are facing today were present almost 100 years ago. Indeed, There’s nothing new under the sun.

Fear of Aging

by MomGrind

agingFear of aging has been on my mind a lot lately.

When I said, a few weeks ago, that I’m afraid of aging, Tim Brownson of The Discomfort Zone commented that age is just a state of mind.

I disagree.

In fact, a growing number of researchers are treating aging as a physical disease.

When I read Tim’s comment, I promised myself that I would write another post in which I would try to explain my fear of aging. So here goes.

Sometimes I look at very old people, with their wrinkles and their illnesses and with those bodies that betray them more and more with each passing year, and I feel a terrible despair. Like I’m on a path that leads to a horrible place and I have no control over that, and I just want to get off that path, but I can’t. There’s no way out.

We all walk on that path, together. We must continue, regardless of what gradually happens to us along the way.

We start here:

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And if we’re lucky enough to survive and reach our 70s and 80s, many of us end up here:

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And yes, I know the only real alternative is death and that a lot of this is up to me (healthy lifestyle, state of mind etc). I should probably just accept that this is the way things are. Still, to me, the fact that all living things must age and shrivel and die is one of the cruelest, most incomprehensible facts of life.

How do you feel about aging? Calm and resigned? Desperate and panicky? Are you taking any active steps – such as a special diet or vitamins, or maybe spiritual steps – in an attempt to slow down aging?

Other bloggers’ thoughts on fear of aging:
Is Death Natural?
The GABA Complex
Another Surprise From Father Time
The Elasticity Of  Time
Help Me, I’m Having A Hair Breakdown!

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Being A Lawyer Sucked

by MomGrind

libraryBeing a lawyer is highly stressful. Anyone who chooses this career needs to realize that the entire legal system is based on adversity.

Negotiations, court appearances, and dealing with clients and with other attorneys are often very bitter.

These interactions require you to be tough, emotionally detached and sometimes even heartless. It’s not fun. It’s not glamorous. It’s ugly.

The stress has a lot to do with the fact that almost everything you do is urgent and has a serious financial implication. It’s like being a doctor (only being a doctor is even worse): if you mess up a contract, or if you mess up in court, there are going to be major implications for your client.

While studying law is interesting, practicing law is boring, repetitive and done in a highly negative environment. You basically spend most of your days writing threatening letters to others or answering threatening letters others have sent you, arguing your case against others in court, or making sure your client is well represented in negotiations and in their final outcome: contracts. Surrounded by all this adversity and negativity, you have to become highly aggressive, or you’re eaten alive by other lawyers. Did I mention being a lawyer is stressful?

Another thing I hated is all the paperwork. The legal system still requires paper proof in many cases, so you have to keep everything and have it neatly filed away. Paperless? Green? Ha. Good one. Not in a law firm. Lawyers keep copies of every correspondence, every document, and yes – we also have to keep electronic copies of stuff. I haven’t worked as a lawyer in ten years, but I’m still in the habit of copying myself on unnecessary emails, “just in case.” Oh, and don’t get me started on all the READING of super boring material that you have to do as a lawyer. The photo above says it all.

Being a lawyer affects your relationships and your personality. You become more aggressive, impatient, cynical. I used to be a divorce attorney and after everything I’ve seen, I have this cynicism that I hate but can’t seem to shake off about love and relationships. I simply can’t believe anymore in love the way I believed in it before I saw how even the greatest love can turn into toxic, consuming hate.

The good news is, if you really want to, you can get out while you still have some semblance of humanity. Of course, this would depend on your financial situation. If you have 3 kids in private school, a hefty mortgage and no savings, changing careers may not be the best idea. But if you have a little more freedom, you should know that changing careers IS a real possibility. I have done it. I am now a blogger for hire, and although I make a fraction of what I used to make as an attorney, my quality of life is so much better now, that it’s absolutely worth it.

One of the biggest emotional obstacles to making this career change is a sense of obligation. Your legal career probably cost a fortune. You also invested a lot of time in it. You need to shake the guilt off. I don’t feel guilty anymore about “throwing away my higher education” because I feel that education always stays with you and enriches your life, even if you don’t use it in the traditional sense.

I hated being a lawyer, but I got out. Hopefully I have inspired you to at least consider the possibility of doing the same.

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I am at my wits end being a lawyer. I have been a New York Lawyer for about 8 years- private practice, in the DA’s office, New York City Housing Authority- I am no good at it. Well I am good at the lawyering bit, just not the political part of it. I always end up pissing the wrong people off and end up on permanent probation. I can keep a job for years, thats the sad part of it. But its always the same. I even left the US, married a Brit and became a lawyer/ Solicitor in England. I have had the same job for a local Council for two years over in UK but now I have started to piss my bosses off over here. I hate administration, get bored very quickly and often wear my heart on my sleeve. I am a middle age attractive Korean girl and sometimes my bosses harass me and of course, I report it. Everytime I have a problem like this, I end up reporting it to the senior managers and its always the same. They sympathise then start to demote me. I am not an idiot but I have seen idiots rise faster than I have in this profession. In England its different- you have to be an idiot and an aristocrat to be considered a star in this profession.
I am so tired of it, that I need a big change but i don’t have any ideas of my own.
Any help out there? Maybe I need someone to teach me how to be a ruthless bitch.


I’m a family law lawyer in Toronto, Canada and your comments really hit home with me. After 10 years of working in this system, I have to say that I have found my colleagues in the family law bar to be – by the vast majority -twisted, ruthless, ugly, unethical and mercenary individuals. Children get lost in the family court system like Alice down the rabbit hole and judges don’t seem to care … as long as some lawyer can file 450 pages convincing a half-sleeping judge that other parent is a worthless turd, truth and justice can just “fold up their tents like the Arabs and silently steal away”. Women (and I’m one) get custody of their children simply because they’re women, not because they’re the better parent. Poor people get shouted at by judges and mocked by court counter staff because they can’t afford lawyers and don’t know how to file documents or present their case in court. Expert witnesses are often charlatans or hired guns who will say anything for 10K. I need to get out. It really is soul-sucking. There’s a reason why laypeople hate lawyers. There are a few lawyers out there who try hard to be decent and ethical individuals and professionals, but they get eaten alive. They quickly learn that decency, ethics and kindness don’t pay and don’t go far in the legal profession, and they get out like you have. Good for you. I pray I’m not far behind you.


Oh my God! Someone who understands. I am a divorce attorney entering into my second years, operating my own practice. I was just thinking about today why the hell did I choose this profession. It is always something. Consistently working, never satisfied clients, drama queens and kings, dealing with other lawyers who want to make smart remarks on letterhead. I am so sick of it. It has been a blessing and a curse and I cannot see myself doing this for the rest of my life. I want to spend the majority of my life writing books and plays. Every word that you have said is a shared sentiment and here I though that I was the only one. And yes, it has completely turned me off of marriage and children.


I am heartened to know that I am not the only one who hates beng a lawyer!
I am 44, with a husband and a 9 year old son. I have my own firm doing litigation. …. quite new so we are in a lot of debt still.
I agree 100% with everything said in your post…..
I want to change but feel scared and old! What else can I do? Huge mortgage, car loans etc …… it would be impossible to afford to be a full time student again and even if I did would someone employ a woman my age?
Sorry – I don’t really expect an answer to these questions – just venting!
I said to my son yesterday “When you grow up DON’T be lawyer or doctor” ! How many moms give theirs kids that advice I wonder???


I’ve been practicing since only 2002. But in that time, I have come across way too many attorneys who are bitter about what they do but yet can’t do anything else. So, they make everyone else’s life miserable in the process. I do not want to be that attorney or that person. I don’t want to be in my 50s unable to do anything but practice day in and day out what I’ve done for the last 10 or 20 years with sparse satisfaction.

My dad used to quote me that scripture (he was a religious man, after all) about what profit a man to gain the world and lose his soul? Although I’m not so religious myself, I do feel like I have lost my soul in being an attorney. The stress, the difficult clients, the unnecessary adversity and the constant weight it places on your family are just not worth it. Plus, I used to think law was about was fair, just and ethical. Boy, was I short-sighted? But, at the same time, it also stresses me out that my student loan debt is more than most folks’ mortgage.

So, how do you reconcile the two – of being able to walk away without feeling like a failure at the same time? I really need to know, because the notion of avoiding failure only stalls me from doing what I know I should do.


Reading this post and the comments thereto is therapy for me. I am an associate in “Big Law” in a big city. Not a morning passes without me regretting my decision to apply to law school. It seems that no one close to me quite understands how I could make so much money yet be so unsatisfied. Of course, folks do not realize that money does not solve all problems. The general attitude of co-workers and their inflated self-worth, the constant adversarial nature of so many daily interactions, the hours that never seem to end, the overload of seemingly meaningless or otherwise trivial actions in a severely flawed judicial system…. I feel as though I am expending all the energy in my body for something I loathe–and it tears me apart to recognize such waste. For as ludicrous as it sounds, I am not built to be an attorney; my personality, ego, integrity, and so forth are the polar opposite of what I presently am and do. It truly is painful.

Currently I am actively searching for my exit strategy, and am torn between tearing down the building and starting anew with a four-year undergraduate degree or pursuing a Masters to reorient my current career path. My greatest fear is that a Masters will simply repeat law school–the awarding of a glorified political science degree and, despite what many say, not too many career opportunities. (Don’t get me wrong–you can do a lot with a J.D.; you also can do the majority of such “a lot” without one but with an applicable B.S. or B.A.). In addition, I am fearful of being overqualified if I simply continue and do not tear down. I’ve already lost one position because the employer wanted someone with fewer credentials. And of course, I am fearful of the debt I’ve previously accrued–and may add to. My greatest pride was turning six figures into five a month ago; without such debt, I’d have long ago left the practice and, if nothing else, spent all my time volunteering with an agency such as the ARC–initially to make up for the “sins” of my practice, and over time because I’d rather help those who need help, and not simply those who can afford help.

Nevertheless, thank you for your post and allowing others like me to vent our feelings. While it may not solve life’s problems, it brings comfort to know that we’re not alone.


I completely feel your pain. I JUST finished law school in May and while I know I’m “lucky” to have a job in this market, I have hated every minute of it since I got here. I loved law school but am already regretting having gone – it seems like such a waste given the career it apparently leads to. I just hope that one day, when I get out of this hellish industry, I can get to where MomsGrind is emotionally and see that my law degree is still worth something. Right now I feel as if I left a perfectly good, rewarding job before law school (I worked for several years before going back to school) to get a degree that, while I enjoyed getting the degree, is not leading me to a rewarding, interesting, balanced career. I’m already trying to make a move out of the law, but it’s hard when the market is not good right now and people don’t understand why I would want to leave practice after only a few months in it. If it’s any consolation, I know completely how you feel. Everything you said rings true with me… there are days I would consider quitting without anything to go to but I know that would not be smart – financially or otherwise (it would be essentially impossible for us to live on my husband’s salary alone), so I try to stick it out and job search in my non-existent spare time.


I have been reading so many of the commentaries here and i know exactly how you feel! i guess it resonates with other “rewarding” careers like nursing. i am a non-practicing nurse in NYC working in a small accounting firm in midtown as an office manager. (sounds weird, huh?) i’ve updated my license for those “just in case” moments….i also have a bachelors in computer information systems; unfortunately i haven’t used it since i graduated one month after 9/11.
i am in two minds: one tells me that whatever you have learned is not put to waste; it’s extra knowledge you may need down the road or just for fun (i guess). i think it’s true with my nurse training….
the other one is saying that i’ve regretted it for not putting it to good use, so that is a waste in itself. i’ve even been hearing in the news that the college degrees aren’t as valuable as they used to be; now you have to have experience along with the degree; but here is the thing: how the hell do you get the experience when everyone rejects you for not having any?
anyways to cut my kvetching (btw i’m indian working for some very nice bosses, most of them jewish + an italian =), which explains my sprinkling of yiddish lol) the current job i’m at is great; don’t need to deal with blood or conniving nurses who look to put you out instead of helping you out; don’t need to deal with politicizing drivel at big corporations. yet at the same time i hit a road block…..getting a bit bored; but then i thought instead of driving myself to tears surfing the next i figured i go back to one of my first interesting encounters in IT: programming. so now i’m re-learning visual basic (with the express version) and it’s fun =). i’m thinking i could conjure up a couple of fun, useful, useless, strange, and in-between programs…..well what do i have to lose?


I too am a former public defender and now self employed as a private defense attorney. I went into school so idealistic, wanting to devote myself and my talents to helping others (Stupid hippy mother and Catholic School is dangerous) Well, I was quickly kicked in the neck by reality. First, all your clients hate you. They will never express the least degree of gratitude regardless of how great the outcome is, you are lucky if they don’t insult you and denigrate you. Secondly, I wanted to go into public service work to avoid the cutthroat competition and evil corporate bosses, and work it a more understanding and communitarian atmosphere. Mistake number 2. That place was as cutthroat as any top corporate firm and 80 hour weeks were expected and completely the norm. At least corporate attorneys are compensated well for their efforts. After two years I left and discovered a brand new hell by whoring myself to some pretty bad people. The worst part is your clients are constantly conspiring to rip you off, constantly having a story as to why they do not have the money, crying and begging and promising to pay tomorrow, only to disappear without a phone call. These are criminals and I should expect it, but between being new in private practice and having to take what I can get, and having a generous heart, I have trouble saying no. So I get ripped off half the time. If you think coroprate clients are hard to please, try the average criminal defendant. Ever since the OJ trial, every criminal defendant thinks they should get “off” if they are paying for an attorney. No one is ever satisfied, especially when someone has to go to jail, then the entire family berates you. I hate my life.


I found this while doing a google search for how to quit being a lawyer while at work. Its interesting and sad how so many bright, energetic people are ground down into nothingness by this so-called “profession.” Like a previous poster said “I am just not built to be an attorney.” I loved law school and did extraordinarily well. I got a prestiguous clerkship after graduation and it was the best 2 years of my life. 5 years into practicing law, and it takes all i have got just to get up in the morning and slink into my office. I love the law, love learning about the law, and love writing about the law. I have been trying to specialize in appellate work, but that field is not profitable enough for my superiors. I hate depositions, hearings, negotiations..pretty much anything involving dealing with other attorneys. My second trial sent me to the hospital, and I had a nervous breakdown after my third.
My family thinks I am crazy for wanting to quit a good-paying job right now, especially since my father recently lost his job.

As frustrating as this is, what is more frustrating is that I have no realistic options. What is a washed up lawyer with a poly/sci degree going to do in this job market? I would love to go back to school to get a PhD, but I don’t think that would get me anyplace better (and the job market in academia is much worse than in law).

What is most frustrating is that no matter how many lists I write, exit strategies I plan, or dreams I conjure up, I know I will never leave this. I am too much of a coward, to proud, too insecure. I went to lawschool to prove I could be somebody; to show the world that a poor blue-collar kid could make it with hard work and intellect. Every time I think of leaving I wind up in even more self-loathing because leaving would mean I failed, I couldn’t hack it, and wasn’t man enough.

I feel like I wasted the best years of my life that I could have spent with family and friends, enjoying my youth with my head in a book and a chip on my shoulder.

Now I am middle-aged, miserable, and utterly alone.

Finally, I completely disagree that “you can use your law degree in any field.” B.S. Try applying for a non-legal job and the first and only question you be be asked in an interview (assuming you can get one) is “So, when do you plan on going back to practicing law?” or “Why should be hire someone who is just going to leave?” or “How do you think you can be a team player having spent the last 5 years of your life lying and arguing for a living.”

Yup—great prospects.


Awesome blog topic and comments. I seem to spend my time roaming different sites hoping one person will truthfully tell me that my feelings of angst are merely growing pains that will dissipate – so far I haven’t found that poster. I hate what I do and who I’ve become – those closest to me say I’ve changed and am more aggressive and have developed a hair trigger.

The reasons I am leaving are not unique. For quite sometime I felt ‘locked up’ with feelings/thoughts of loans, debt, potential interview questions, family obligations and an overall waste of the degree. However, I was asking myself the wrong questions. Where to go is the new question.


I just went through a grueling and painful custody process in an attempt to adopt my niece. Through the process, even though she was charging me, I felt oddly drawn to my attorney. Now, with the case being over I miss her. I am not typically a person who is quick to react or let my feelings take over, but I feel strongly about telling her how I feel. The case is now closed, most likely will not be open again…what should I do? Should I share my feelings with her…and if so how do I do that discreetly? I am confused. Please help.


have you never felt an instant of joy or satisfaction throughout your legal career?
if it is as said, why then do so many people plunge into studying law schools..i am sure most sort of know what the industry is like before or heard about how ugly things are.then why do people still want to study law?


Response to the above:
“i am sure most sort of know what the industry is like before or heard about how ugly things are”

WRONG. I came from middle-class background, wanted to rise above what my parents did and did not know anyone who was a lawyer before entering law school.

I went to law school because I loved constitutional law and theory in college, and excelled at writing and researching. I liked solving problems and figuring thing out.

I had NO CLUE what the atmosphere was like in law firms, the level of hostility from your own co-workers, the constant demand to “market” and “produce” revenue, the complete lack of any sense of professionalism. I had no clue I would have to fight about what side of town a deposition would take place; or have to deal with partners who give you a big project the day before a holiday simply becaue they want to make you miserable and/or were too lazy to get to it. etc. etc. ad naseum. I had no idea I would be trapped under a mountain of student debt and live like an indentured servant, even though I graduated top of my class.

When I was 22, I also had all the energy in the world and ran on coffee and cigarettes. Now, in my mid-30s, I can no longer pull multiple all-nighters, I am constantly tired, stressed, and unable to sleep at night.

There is NO WAY I would have gone to law school if I had known then what I know now.


And I thought studying law once. I think I have the “intellect” [read serious world history and crimes, and not silly "mystery Agatha Christie novels" please]. And love to read how to defend onself in certain social and economical situations. But not willing to compromise my beliefs easily. Maybe I was “lucky” not have studied law. Who knows.


I too went to law school because I was enamored with constitutional law, and was talented at researching and writing and felt like I would be a natural. I was clueless as to the lifestyle it would lead me to – blinded by the idea of translating my natural propensity for reading and writing into a well-paying career. I was a fool. Now I’m embarking on my second year in private practice and I am already looking for a way out.

What really gets me is the lack of human contact. For the most part my job is solitary, what little interaction I have with others is usually negative (either antisocial colleagues, or adversaries), and like others don’t have the time to really get into anything else. My personality is slowly degrading, and I’ve become increasingly cynical. I refuse to believe those three years of my life in law school – which were great, by the way – were wasted, and I firmly believe I can find a career that gives me the work atmosphere I need while letting me use my legal education. Maybe I’m naive – obviously, I’m a little naive since I went to law school to begin with. But I think I can make it work, and by god I’m going to give it a shot before I high tail it to something else.


I, too, am a young attorney and am already searching for a way out. After yet another discourgaging day at work, I googled “Hate being a lawyer” and came across this thread. After expressing my disdain with the profession to my parents (who refuse to believe its anything but glamorous), I felt I needed validation that other, wiser attorneys are as unhappy as I am. I’m afraid if I don’t change careers now- while portable and without kids- inertia will take over and I will be 50 googling the same thing. Billable hours are the bane of my existence. You can always research more or less. Being a perfectionist, I feel like I’m stealing from clients when I charge an additional hour to ensure I’ve come to a reasonable legal conclusion. Anytime I actually leave the building for lunch, I feel like a degenerate slacker. And social interaction is taboo because that’s time wasted…and time is money. I’ve started doing crosswords on my “lunch break” to clear my head after spending hours on Westlaw and, today, received a handwritten note written across a partially-completed crossword asking the patronizing question, “Is this billable?” from a senior partner. The thought of being in this profession for another week, let alone another 10, 20 or 30 years is as oppressive and stifling as any thought could possibly be. But how do we parlay a JD into something less awful?


Having stumbled across this site, I empathise 100% with many of the comments here.

I live in Australia, but can assure you that all of the problems described in US legal practice are endemic within Australian legal practice (and, as far as I can tell, British and Canadian legal practice as well).

I loved law school (happiest days of my life, in fact), but the actual practice of law was the utter pits – I was stunned as the sheer money-grabbing cynicism, constant hostility and arrogance of senior partners and fellow practitioners as well as the dull, monotonous yet enormously stressful nature of the work.

To anyone disgusted by modern legal practice, let me assure you: “it’s not you”…the entire culture of modern legal practice is fundamentally corrupt.

A few years ago, after a close family member became terminally ill, I found myself unable to cope and began making serious errors in my work, which resulted in me resigning my position. Although this was a terrible time in my life, it forced me to examine where I was headed and resolve to change my career.

I rang around and was able to obtain work (initially casual) as a tutor at various law schools – could this not be an option for many dissatisfied lawyers here? Furthermore, it is not only law schools who offer this sort of work…how about business schools (for those with expertise in contract or corporate law) or community colleges offering paralegal and business units? Yes, its a drop in pay, but no amount of money is worth your health or happiness.

You only live once, and that life shouldn’t be spent doing something you hate. Talk to your friends and family, ask for ideas about other careers.

It only takes a few seconds to resolve to change your life.


Like so many others, apparently, I too found this site why searching on “i hate being a lawyer” – which is precisely how I feel. Now if I can just find some really good resources on what I can do apres-law that won’t require that I go back to earning the equivalent of minimum wages.


Does anyone have any ideas on where us ex/unhappy lawyers can go to get ideas for jobs, whether or not we are using our degree? I practiced law for 5 years as a public defender. I loved working with the people, but by the last couple of years I was so stressed and unhappy. I too was not cut out to be a lawyer – I am not adversarial at all. My husband got a job transfer. We moved to a different state and I didn’t want to take the bar. I got a job as a law librarian at a law school and got a masters in library and information science. I became a stay at home mom for a few years and now I need extra income and want to go back to work part time. The thought of going back into the legal field makes my stomach turn. But I am at a loss as to what to do! I too rue the day that I decided to go to law school and curse myself for not having the guts to back out when I knew it wasn’t for me by the second year of law school. All those wasted hours and years.


Thank you for your posts folks. I share many of the sentiments above, am frustrated, and am interested in planning a better future. Although I do find some reward in completing a project and being good at what I do, I find what I do unfulfilling, boring, tedious, and overwhelmingly pointless. I am confident that moving into litigation would not be the answer for me as I really don’t enjoy conflict either. It’s horribly difficult, and wished I had never backed myself in a corner. I went to law school in Chicago and went through a costly divorce; therefore, I am in substantial debt. I can certainly say that my misery at work contributed to the demise of my first marriage as well. I feel trapped until I get the debt under control, but so long for and dream for a happier future. Please, please caution anyone going into law to not back themselves in a corner. If anyone would like to discuss their experience as a lawyer and plans for a happier future, I’d welcome speaking with you. moonlightdr73 (at) yahoo.com


Well this really resonates with me. I never wanted to go to law school, that was my dad’s wish and the fact that he was terminally ill made it hard to refuse. I should have quit after he passed away at the end of my first year, but thought it was my best chance to have a good paying career where I could provide for my daughter (she was born at the beginning of my second year of law school). I was at least smart enough to get a second degree in HR, which I thought would be all I needed to get into the field. HA! That was a joke.

It turns out if you have a lot of eduction but not a lot of experience you are pretty much unemployable in any other field then you are trained for. I practiced law for 7 years doing business and employment law and I hated it almost everyday. I got myself stuck with a lot of debt and family obligations and thought I would just be miserable for the rest of my days. The recession came, work slowed to a crawl and I saw my income drop by $25K which did not leave me enough to pay my bills or support my family. I am so far behind on my debts I know I will probably have to file bankruptcy.

The happy part is that I started my own business in HR and writing and even though I have suffered a lot of depression over losing everything, I have now moved to another state and I am making a fresh start. I work from home and enjoy spending time with my family and hope that I can find employment in another field. It has been really tough trying to get jobs in other fields because I am overqualified and can’t even get an interview. I’m considering going back to school for a certificate in another field to help me get in the door in a career I will hopefully enjoy. I feel lucky that I got out of law while I still had some sanity left! Good luck to you all in finding that moment where you know you can make the change no matter the cost.


As an attorney, I feel your pain. I am always on the brink of having a break down. I start my day with the best of intentions, but end it tired, bitter and bitchy. My poor children must think I am the incredible hulk…

I HAVE to find something else, otherwise I will be found in a corner rocking asking for an invisible cigarette (and I don’t even smoke). In law school we saw all these presentations on alcoholism, now I see why. Being a lawyer will drive anyone to drinking.

Congrats on breaking out! You are an inspiration to us all!


There are some great posts on here, really enjoyed reading I am not alone. I am an in house lawyer in the uk, 7 years qualified. I have hated every bit of my career so far, right since training but I have stuck at it because I met some nice people. I also enjoyed the actual studying bit of law and the fact I got to use my education. But I can’t do it anymore, the incessant confrontation, the pressure, the niggles. Everyone I meet outside can’t believe its what I do as its so wrong for my personality. I want to work in something where i can empathise with people and use my skills and interests in the arts, holistic living and family without negotiating pointless things all day. Any ideas???


See parents don’t know what they are talking about when they say grow up to be a lawyer, doctor, etc all those common stereotype jobs.!


I am a young associate at what is honestly, a wonderful small firm with attorneys that couldn’t be nicer. I absolutely hate it, I haven’t felt happy since working there at all. I googled “people who quit being lawyers” and found this thread. I’m not sure what my next step will be, but I’ve resolved that I will wait-tables until I can find it (and I really hate waiting tables) Good to know I’m not alone in this.


I’m an engineer and I have plans to pursue law. But reading your post just now makes me really think if do i really want to be a lawyer. hahaha. Life is really short, yes i love learning new things but adding more stress would be unbearable already. Thanks!


Wow…I thought I was the only one. I was extremely unhappy as a family law attorney and criminal defense attorney. The only job I had while an attorney that I remotely enjoyed was being an assistant district attorney. Unfortunately that job paid next to nothing and I was forced to seek higher paying jobs. I’ll tell you, I was sick of fighting with other attorneys, judges, and especially clients who never appreciated what it was they were paying for.

I finally decided that I was through and despite having kids and a wife, I quit. Walked away. It was probably one of the hardest decisions I have ever made because of many of the reasons addressed on this site. You feel like you’re throwing away this education or somehow letting someone down. Or you may even think you’re a failure. But I’ve learned none of those things are true. They are only true if you believe them. What everyone else thinks is irrelevent. I’m with a lot of you, I tell people every day to think long and hard about this career because it is not worth it. I’ve finally gotten away from it and it was the best decision I ever made. Good luck to those of you contemplating leaving “the law.” I can tell you that it will be both the scariest day of your life and also the most satisfying.


I, too, found this after googling “hate practicing family law” or something like that. I’ve only been in practice for 9 months now, having made a mid-life career switch from working as a therapist. I hate every minute of the litigated process. Although I have a thick skin, I seem to be a breath away from crying most of the time. I do love mediation, though, as well as collaborative law, and am going to be working toward making the switch to practicing exclusively out-of-court law within the next few months. I would recommend anyone who enjoys working with their clients and assisting in the resolution of problems to explore collaborative law and mediation.


It’s a relief that there are others out there since openly sharing this would only subject me to being attacked by older attorneys as being a whiner and a wimp. After doing in house insurance defense for 5 years, I’m probably certifiably insane.

I had a pretty decent law school experience and most people seemed somewhat normal but since practicing, I have yet to go through a day without a psychotic interaction with opposing counsel or client or judge/court staff. I think this is a perfect profession for those who cannot interact civilly towards other human beings.

There was no hinting in law school that while in practice, you will be treated like a faceless machine who is expected to crank out work at an unreasonable rate and make no errors. If they tire of you, they will continue to overload you until you quit or get fired and then replace you with a newbie who is eager to do twice the work for the half the pay.

I really wish I knew the reality of this so I hope anyone out there who is seriously considering law school to know that the cost of it can be more than money: your time and your sanity. Everyone who has contributed to this thread definitely gives me hope but now I just need the courage to walk away. Life is too short to be spent in anxiety, hate and frustration. Good luck to everyone! Never give up!


I also struggle on a daily basis if I have what it “takes to be lawyer.” Most times, the lawyers I meet seemed to “love” their practice and I feel like how could they continue to be happy and enjoy the practice and often seemed amused at expressed misery. Often I feel like the odd man out because anxiety, uncertainty, and inability to enjoy the tedious aspects or hostility constantly weigh on my mind. I sometimes consider changing career paths or at least try to get my footing in some remotely law-related field but it seems like I am taking the easy way out. If I were to get out, I worry the long-term consequences or how it’s perceived: I would be considered a failure or worse, why can’t you work “hard” like all the others without letting it affect you? It seems the ones who succeed are especially good at detaching themselves or really resilient, neither of which I am especially good at.At this point, to other more established lawyers, it seemed like I couldn’t “work hard to succeed” like all the beginners. I feel completely lobotomized. How can I turn this attitude to something more productive, either in law or some other field?


Me too – 8 years qualified family lawyer in the UK – burnt out, cynical, finding it hard to deal with the negativity stress aggression emotional detritus client complaints that relationship breakdown inevitably brings….help!!!


I’ve been a lawyer since 2009. I hate it. Law school was great, but the stress and tedious nature of the actual practice is not worth it at all. I am at my wits end. I am at a small gen. practice firm and just loath myself. It is that bad. I may be bartending before too long…and would be so much happier.


Why don’t they tell you how being a lawyer will destroy your life, your marriage and your health BEFORE you start first year law? I’ll tell you why: because the law schools need the tuition money coming in, so they can pay their professors who are lawyers who managed to get out of the practice of law because it was destroying their lives, marriages and health!!! The whole profession is a scam. I have been practicing for 14 years and am burned out and tired of everything. It destroys your zest for life and you become unable to enjoy any part of life because you are always stressing about that trial you haven’t prepared for, or that sentencing submission. It never ends. There is never a light at the end of the tunnel. It is a hamster wheel that just keeps on spinning, until you die.


I just changed into the public sector after a few years of private practice. I have a lot of friends who are practitioners and after I made the change, despite knowing the toxic environment I was working in, seemed to dismiss my career move and decision not to practice any more. You blog reminded me of why I made the change and that it was worth it.

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kids-watching-tvI’m sure you won’t be shocked if I tell you that research shows that too much TV is bad for you.

The study found that despite the sharp rise in our standard of living in recent decades, Americans today are not happier than they were in earlier generations: a large percentage of the people surveyed were likely to spend a big chunk of their day in an unpleasant state.

According to the study authors, this is because people don’t incorporate enough “engaging leisure and spiritual activities”, such as socializing, exercising or reading books, into their day. Despite having more leisure time than ever before, time spent on engaging leisure activities has actually declined over the past four decades.

Instead, there’s been a significant increase in the hours devoted to what the authors call “neutral downtime,” which is mostly watching television. Watching TV may be low-stress and moderately enjoyable, but people aren’t mentally engaged the way they are when they’re exercising or socializing.

Not surprisingly, the study authors suggest that people stop watching too much TV. They say that people would feel better about their lives if they spend their leisure time doing something more interactive and engaging than watching television.

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slow-downMultitasking doesn’t work. Research on multitasking shows that the human brain is not equipped to do more than one thing at a time.

Switching between tasks takes significant amounts of time – several tenths of a second – which can add up when people switch back and forth repeatedly between tasks.

In other words, while multitasking may seem more efficient, it may actually slow you down.

Like many moms, I am the queen of multitasking. Most of my attempts at accomplishing a few things at once involve doing something – anything – while also listening to my kids.

I drive the car while managing their fights in the backseat. I alternate between answering email and helping them with their homework. I cook dinner and listen to their stories. During dinner, as much as I try to teach them to take turns speaking, I often find myself listening to the two of them talking at the same time.

At work, I constantly move back and forth between open applications on my computer because it always seems like my computer is too slow. I tackle a large project at work while periodically checking my email. I talk on the phone while typing.

Most of the time, I seem to manage all of this just fine. But once in a while, especially when two people are talking to me at the same time, I feel that my brain is going to explode and that I just can’t handle it anymore. It is too much.

Now that I have read the research, I know why: multitasking doesn’t work.

Weaning yourself off the habit of multitasking may not just boost your productivity. It may also help you achieve a more relaxed, peaceful existence. Leo of Zen Habits is a big proponent of single tasking and of doing just one thing at a time.

The temptation to jump back and forth between different activities is huge. The information overload that characterizes modern life has addictive properties. At times, it seems almost impossible to relax and slow down. In fact, as I am writing this post, I am very guilty of periodically checking my inbox for new emails. As with everything, I should probably set small, realistic goals for myself.

My first goal is to sit down with my kids every day when they get back from school and just listen to them, focusing on what they have to say, without attempting to get anything else done at the same time. Unpacking of lunchboxes and washing dishes can be accomplished after I spend at least half an hour, uninterrupted, listening to my children.

Multitasking doesn’t work. Slow down!

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